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− | =Morality= | + | ===Morality Can Be A Heresy=== |
+ | :"When you moralize a social issue, then you have no hope in solving it. For example prostitution. When it is moralized, the women are all 'sinners'; we have to look down on them. But if we look at it from Christ's point of view, probably we would have to say that our first moral obligation is the safety of those women. And then we have a moral obligation to offer them a viable alternative, and to provide the possibilities of that alternative for them, rather than just writing them off as a bunch of sinful, evil people. When we moralize them, we can't really communicate with them anymore because we are really putting our foot on their head and shoving them down deeper down into the darkness. [Many people think that's what Christianity is about; a moral force] to control and manipulate people to follow [a] particular brand of morality. This is something that Jesus Christ never did, and which was never a part of his teaching. [Which is] to reach to people and offer them with a co-suffering love; to penetrate their hearts with a co-suffering love. To recognize yourself in their struggle. To recognize yourself in their passions. To recognize yourself in their inner human suffering. To try to lift them up and lead them to a transformation of their inner person." -- Archbishop Lazar Puhalo, Interview on The Standard, CHNU-DT TV, British Columbia, Canada, 2010 ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaDTWZIXfLU YouTube Video]). | ||
− | : | + | ===Christianity is Not Morality=== |
+ | :We are losing our faith in exchange for a fantasy. Our kids are being taught to live as prisoners rather than as free citizens. The hope of the Gospel is being reduced to the triad of hopes expressed in the United States Declaration of Independence – to gain life, liberty and happiness. | ||
+ | :The Christian faith teaches that without Jesus, we have no hope. The sad story being taught in many churches today is similar to what any and almost all religions teach: be good, work hard and be nice, and maybe God will give you a prize. That is a fantasy built on half-truths that gives no hope. Christianity teaches that God does give a glorious prize of eternal life in Him, but that it comes by grace through faith in Jesus alone and not by works." -- Rev Dr. Jason Pettus, bgdailynews.com, [http://www.bgdailynews.com/features/faith_and_values/gospel-of-christianity-differs-from-the-morality-of-religion/article_9f225486-b6fb-11e1-ae38-0019bb2963f4.html Gospel of Christianity Differs From The Morality Of Religion], June 15, 2012 | ||
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− | The Christian | + | ===The Reason Why We Do Anything as Christians=== |
+ | :"If anyone asks the reason for any action within the Christian life, a good answer, rooted in our own well-being and the well-being of others should be forthcoming. The commandments of Christ do not simply tell us what we should do, but in their telling, reveal the very nature of reality to us." -- Fr. Stephen Freeman, [https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/glory2godforallthings/2017/12/05/the-morality-of-christmas-2/ The Morality of Christmas], Glory to God for All Things blog, 5 Dec 2017 | ||
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+ | ===The Morality of Christmas=== | ||
+ | [https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/glory2godforallthings/2017/12/05/the-morality-of-christmas-2/ Morality of Christmas] | ||
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+ | ===Christianity Cannot Be Taught Without Christ=== | ||
+ | :"I looked back at the previous ten years and realized I had spent ten years trying to convince kids to behave 'Christianly' without actually teaching them Christianity. And that was a pretty serious conviction. You can say, 'Hey kids, be more forgiving because the Bible says so,' or, 'Hey kids, be more kind because the Bible says so!' But that isn't Christianity, it's morality. And that was such a huge shift for me from the American Christian ideal. We are drinking a cocktail that's a mix of the Protestant work ethic, the American dream, and the gospel. And we've intertwined them so completely that we can't tell them apart anymore." -- Phil Vischer, original creator of Veggie Tales, "It's Not About the Dream," WORLD magazine, Sept. 24, 2011, pp. 57-58 | ||
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+ | ===Letter of the Law=== | ||
+ | :"I once asked someone: "What type of warrior do you consider yourself to be? Christ's warrior or temptation's warrior? Are you aware that the evil of temptation also has its own warriors?" | ||
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+ | :"A Christian must not be fanatic; he must have love for and be sensitive towards all people. Those who inconsiderately toss out comments, even if they are true, can cause harm. | ||
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+ | :"I once met a theologian who was extremely pious, but who had the habit of speaking to the (secular) people around him in a very blunt manner; his method penetrated so deeply that it shook them very severely. He told me once: "During a gathering, I said such and such a thing to a lady." But the way that he said it, crushed her. "Look", I said to him, "you may be tossing golden crowns studded with diamonds to other people, but the way that you throw them can smash heads, not only the sensitive ones, but the sound ones also." | ||
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+ | :"Let's not stone our fellow-man in a so-called "Christian manner." The person who - in the presence of others - checks someone for having sinned (or speaks in an impassioned manner about a certain person), is not moved by the Spirit of God; he is moved by another spirit. | ||
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+ | :"The way of the Church is LOVE; it differs from the way of the legalists. The Church sees everything with tolerance and seeks to help each person, whatever he may have done, however sinful he may be. | ||
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+ | :"I have observed a peculiar kind of logic in certain pious people. Their piety is a good thing, and their predisposition for good is also a good thing; however, a certain spiritual discernment and amplitude is required so that their piety is not accompanied by narrow-mindedness or strong-headedness. Someone who is truly in a spiritual state must possess and exemplify spiritual discernment; otherwise he will forever remain attached to the "letter of the Law", and the letter of the Law can be quite deadly. | ||
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+ | :"A truly humble person never behaves like a teacher; he will listen, and, whenever his opinion is requested, he responds humbly. In other words, he replies like a student. He who believes that he is capable of correcting others is filled with egotism. | ||
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+ | :"A person that begins to do something with a good intention and eventually reaches an extreme point, lacks true discernment. His actions exemplify a latent type of egotism that is hidden beneath this behavior; he is unaware of it, because he does not know himself that well, which is why he goes to extremes. | ||
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+ | :"Quite often, people begin with good intentions, but look where they may find themselves! This was the case with the "icon-worshippers" and the "iconoclasts" of the past: both cases were extremes! The former had reached the point of scraping off icons of Christ and placing the scrapings into the Holy Chalice in order to "improve" Holy Communion; the latter, on the other hand, burnt and totally discarded all icons. That is why the Church was obliged to place the icons in higher places, out of reach, and, when the dispute was over, lowered them so that we can venerate them and thus confer the appropriate honor to the persons portrayed therein." -- Elder Paisios the Athonite, The Letter of the Law | ||
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+ | ===Letter vs Spirit=== | ||
+ | :"Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God, who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." -- St. Paul 2 Cor 3:5-6 | ||
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+ | ===Christianity Is Not About Morality=== | ||
+ | :"One of the mistakes that many Christians make is thinking that morality leads to Godliness. However there are many people who do not follow God who are moral, even atheists. Certainly unrepentent immorality will not lead to Godliness, but Jesus did not come to set up a system of morality, and God does not desire us to be merely moral. We are saved by faith. And faith is the orientation of the will towards God's will. One can only be saved if one truly loves God and strives to become like God. Morality is merely a consequence of loving God, because loving God leads to loving one's fellow humans and indeed all of creation. Morality comes as a consequence of unselfish love, but it is not an end in and of itself." [[User:Wcrowe|Wcrowe]] ([[User talk:Wcrowe|talk]]) 01:11, 14 October 2017 (EDT) | ||
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+ | ===I Have Come to Fulfill the Law=== | ||
+ | :"Whoever sets aside 'one of the least of the commandments' of the law is set aside by God as God's enemy and as an inventor of laws opposed to God. And now out of the law of the gospel that one receives the retribution which, under the ancient law, was not defined. For this reason Christ fittingly says, 'I am not come to destroy but to fulfill.' For that which then was lacking, here is made full. It is said in the law: 'Stand in the presence of the elderly' and 'If you see the beast of your enemy fallen under its load, go help him lift it up.' If anyone transgressed these commandments, there was no retribution specified under the law. So Christ makes up this lack when he says that in the kingdom of heaven such a person will be treated with scorn." -- St. Cyril of Alexandria, Fragment 48 | ||
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+ | ===Christianity A Light In The Darkness=== | ||
+ | :"In a world where the power to kill helpless human beings is labeled “compassion” or a “human right,” both compassion and human rights become matters of definition, and the defining is done by those who want to kill at will. What is in fact, monstrous, we call good. And what is in fact good, we call monstrous. | ||
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+ | :"Christianity, with its unyielding call to life and love, is the light that shines in this darkness. And the darkness hates it. | ||
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+ | :"This attraction — I cannot call it love, for love is not in it — to ever deeper darkness grows from our most selfish impulses. It creates an upside down world based on language mis-used that demands that everyone — everyone — accede to the lies of manufactured definitions of our finest words. Killing, we are told, is a “right” of the killer, as in abortion is a “right.” Murder is compassion, as in euthanasia is compassionate. Genocide is godly, as in the bestial behavior of Boko Haram and ISIS. | ||
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+ | :"In this upside down world of lying definitions, we can pretend that homosexual couples are the same as a man and a woman, is the same as groups of people consorting sexually, is the same as … whatever. We can label the deliberate killing of people who are slightly different from the norm — such as those with down’s syndrome — a moral necessity. We can reduce women and children to commerce with surrogacy and egg harvesting, sex trafficking, prostitution and porn and call it variously, freedom of expression, creation of families and, once again, the “right” of the purchasers. | ||
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+ | :"Whatever our dark desire to degrade, exploit or kill other people, we can use our facile gift of language to construct a lie to convince ourselves that it is good." -- Rebecca Hamilton, Christianity: The Religion of Life, Patheos.com, 25 August, 2014 [http://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2014/08/christianity-the-religion-of-life/] | ||
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+ | ===Freedom=== | ||
+ | :" No. Freedom for what ? To buy burgers and porn ? Men die for their God, their family and children, their home and land, and their women. | ||
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+ | :"Never abstractions. What good is freedom, or America, if it has no place for God, for a stable family and time to spend with them, for a place to call your own ? | ||
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+ | :"Banks own the land and homes, God is mocked away, families assaulted by relentless cultural decay....Freedom to be enslaved, to comfort, anesthetization, or debauchery, and a memory of a virtuous vision, is all that's left in this land...." - Jonathan McCormack, FB, 20 April, 2018 | ||
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+ | See also | ||
+ | *[[Believe and Behave]] | ||
+ | *[[Faith and Works]] |
Latest revision as of 18:22, 20 April 2018
Contents
- 1 Morality Can Be A Heresy
- 2 Christianity is Not Morality
- 3 The Reason Why We Do Anything as Christians
- 4 The Morality of Christmas
- 5 Christianity Cannot Be Taught Without Christ
- 6 Letter of the Law
- 7 Letter vs Spirit
- 8 Christianity Is Not About Morality
- 9 I Have Come to Fulfill the Law
- 10 Christianity A Light In The Darkness
- 11 Freedom
Morality Can Be A Heresy
- "When you moralize a social issue, then you have no hope in solving it. For example prostitution. When it is moralized, the women are all 'sinners'; we have to look down on them. But if we look at it from Christ's point of view, probably we would have to say that our first moral obligation is the safety of those women. And then we have a moral obligation to offer them a viable alternative, and to provide the possibilities of that alternative for them, rather than just writing them off as a bunch of sinful, evil people. When we moralize them, we can't really communicate with them anymore because we are really putting our foot on their head and shoving them down deeper down into the darkness. [Many people think that's what Christianity is about; a moral force] to control and manipulate people to follow [a] particular brand of morality. This is something that Jesus Christ never did, and which was never a part of his teaching. [Which is] to reach to people and offer them with a co-suffering love; to penetrate their hearts with a co-suffering love. To recognize yourself in their struggle. To recognize yourself in their passions. To recognize yourself in their inner human suffering. To try to lift them up and lead them to a transformation of their inner person." -- Archbishop Lazar Puhalo, Interview on The Standard, CHNU-DT TV, British Columbia, Canada, 2010 (YouTube Video).
Christianity is Not Morality
- We are losing our faith in exchange for a fantasy. Our kids are being taught to live as prisoners rather than as free citizens. The hope of the Gospel is being reduced to the triad of hopes expressed in the United States Declaration of Independence – to gain life, liberty and happiness.
- The Christian faith teaches that without Jesus, we have no hope. The sad story being taught in many churches today is similar to what any and almost all religions teach: be good, work hard and be nice, and maybe God will give you a prize. That is a fantasy built on half-truths that gives no hope. Christianity teaches that God does give a glorious prize of eternal life in Him, but that it comes by grace through faith in Jesus alone and not by works." -- Rev Dr. Jason Pettus, bgdailynews.com, Gospel of Christianity Differs From The Morality Of Religion, June 15, 2012
The Reason Why We Do Anything as Christians
- "If anyone asks the reason for any action within the Christian life, a good answer, rooted in our own well-being and the well-being of others should be forthcoming. The commandments of Christ do not simply tell us what we should do, but in their telling, reveal the very nature of reality to us." -- Fr. Stephen Freeman, The Morality of Christmas, Glory to God for All Things blog, 5 Dec 2017
The Morality of Christmas
Christianity Cannot Be Taught Without Christ
- "I looked back at the previous ten years and realized I had spent ten years trying to convince kids to behave 'Christianly' without actually teaching them Christianity. And that was a pretty serious conviction. You can say, 'Hey kids, be more forgiving because the Bible says so,' or, 'Hey kids, be more kind because the Bible says so!' But that isn't Christianity, it's morality. And that was such a huge shift for me from the American Christian ideal. We are drinking a cocktail that's a mix of the Protestant work ethic, the American dream, and the gospel. And we've intertwined them so completely that we can't tell them apart anymore." -- Phil Vischer, original creator of Veggie Tales, "It's Not About the Dream," WORLD magazine, Sept. 24, 2011, pp. 57-58
Letter of the Law
- "I once asked someone: "What type of warrior do you consider yourself to be? Christ's warrior or temptation's warrior? Are you aware that the evil of temptation also has its own warriors?"
- "A Christian must not be fanatic; he must have love for and be sensitive towards all people. Those who inconsiderately toss out comments, even if they are true, can cause harm.
- "I once met a theologian who was extremely pious, but who had the habit of speaking to the (secular) people around him in a very blunt manner; his method penetrated so deeply that it shook them very severely. He told me once: "During a gathering, I said such and such a thing to a lady." But the way that he said it, crushed her. "Look", I said to him, "you may be tossing golden crowns studded with diamonds to other people, but the way that you throw them can smash heads, not only the sensitive ones, but the sound ones also."
- "Let's not stone our fellow-man in a so-called "Christian manner." The person who - in the presence of others - checks someone for having sinned (or speaks in an impassioned manner about a certain person), is not moved by the Spirit of God; he is moved by another spirit.
- "The way of the Church is LOVE; it differs from the way of the legalists. The Church sees everything with tolerance and seeks to help each person, whatever he may have done, however sinful he may be.
- "I have observed a peculiar kind of logic in certain pious people. Their piety is a good thing, and their predisposition for good is also a good thing; however, a certain spiritual discernment and amplitude is required so that their piety is not accompanied by narrow-mindedness or strong-headedness. Someone who is truly in a spiritual state must possess and exemplify spiritual discernment; otherwise he will forever remain attached to the "letter of the Law", and the letter of the Law can be quite deadly.
- "A truly humble person never behaves like a teacher; he will listen, and, whenever his opinion is requested, he responds humbly. In other words, he replies like a student. He who believes that he is capable of correcting others is filled with egotism.
- "A person that begins to do something with a good intention and eventually reaches an extreme point, lacks true discernment. His actions exemplify a latent type of egotism that is hidden beneath this behavior; he is unaware of it, because he does not know himself that well, which is why he goes to extremes.
- "Quite often, people begin with good intentions, but look where they may find themselves! This was the case with the "icon-worshippers" and the "iconoclasts" of the past: both cases were extremes! The former had reached the point of scraping off icons of Christ and placing the scrapings into the Holy Chalice in order to "improve" Holy Communion; the latter, on the other hand, burnt and totally discarded all icons. That is why the Church was obliged to place the icons in higher places, out of reach, and, when the dispute was over, lowered them so that we can venerate them and thus confer the appropriate honor to the persons portrayed therein." -- Elder Paisios the Athonite, The Letter of the Law
Letter vs Spirit
- "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God, who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." -- St. Paul 2 Cor 3:5-6
Christianity Is Not About Morality
- "One of the mistakes that many Christians make is thinking that morality leads to Godliness. However there are many people who do not follow God who are moral, even atheists. Certainly unrepentent immorality will not lead to Godliness, but Jesus did not come to set up a system of morality, and God does not desire us to be merely moral. We are saved by faith. And faith is the orientation of the will towards God's will. One can only be saved if one truly loves God and strives to become like God. Morality is merely a consequence of loving God, because loving God leads to loving one's fellow humans and indeed all of creation. Morality comes as a consequence of unselfish love, but it is not an end in and of itself." Wcrowe (talk) 01:11, 14 October 2017 (EDT)
I Have Come to Fulfill the Law
- "Whoever sets aside 'one of the least of the commandments' of the law is set aside by God as God's enemy and as an inventor of laws opposed to God. And now out of the law of the gospel that one receives the retribution which, under the ancient law, was not defined. For this reason Christ fittingly says, 'I am not come to destroy but to fulfill.' For that which then was lacking, here is made full. It is said in the law: 'Stand in the presence of the elderly' and 'If you see the beast of your enemy fallen under its load, go help him lift it up.' If anyone transgressed these commandments, there was no retribution specified under the law. So Christ makes up this lack when he says that in the kingdom of heaven such a person will be treated with scorn." -- St. Cyril of Alexandria, Fragment 48
Christianity A Light In The Darkness
- "In a world where the power to kill helpless human beings is labeled “compassion” or a “human right,” both compassion and human rights become matters of definition, and the defining is done by those who want to kill at will. What is in fact, monstrous, we call good. And what is in fact good, we call monstrous.
- "Christianity, with its unyielding call to life and love, is the light that shines in this darkness. And the darkness hates it.
- "This attraction — I cannot call it love, for love is not in it — to ever deeper darkness grows from our most selfish impulses. It creates an upside down world based on language mis-used that demands that everyone — everyone — accede to the lies of manufactured definitions of our finest words. Killing, we are told, is a “right” of the killer, as in abortion is a “right.” Murder is compassion, as in euthanasia is compassionate. Genocide is godly, as in the bestial behavior of Boko Haram and ISIS.
- "In this upside down world of lying definitions, we can pretend that homosexual couples are the same as a man and a woman, is the same as groups of people consorting sexually, is the same as … whatever. We can label the deliberate killing of people who are slightly different from the norm — such as those with down’s syndrome — a moral necessity. We can reduce women and children to commerce with surrogacy and egg harvesting, sex trafficking, prostitution and porn and call it variously, freedom of expression, creation of families and, once again, the “right” of the purchasers.
- "Whatever our dark desire to degrade, exploit or kill other people, we can use our facile gift of language to construct a lie to convince ourselves that it is good." -- Rebecca Hamilton, Christianity: The Religion of Life, Patheos.com, 25 August, 2014 [1]
Freedom
- " No. Freedom for what ? To buy burgers and porn ? Men die for their God, their family and children, their home and land, and their women.
- "Never abstractions. What good is freedom, or America, if it has no place for God, for a stable family and time to spend with them, for a place to call your own ?
- "Banks own the land and homes, God is mocked away, families assaulted by relentless cultural decay....Freedom to be enslaved, to comfort, anesthetization, or debauchery, and a memory of a virtuous vision, is all that's left in this land...." - Jonathan McCormack, FB, 20 April, 2018
See also